Seeing is...Believing?
Society's flip-flopped worldview. Why should we have to see things to believe them? Would not the more crucial, eternal properties and principles of our existence be unseen?
Take for instance the laws that govern this great existence. Are those not unseen forces, very crucial to our survival, and apparently eternal? Would those well-documented and readily observable traits of our existence not contradict the haphazard chaos that is presumed upon the origins of our existence? Would this not speak of our society's Great Contradiction? That we can, at the same time, hold in such high regard as men such as Newton and Darwin. Are they not contradictions? That one would claim such order in nature and the other claim such chance.
Do not the great discoveries of such men as Aristotle, Galileo and Newton stand in contradiction to the theories of other "great" men we as a society have adopted, such as Darwin?
Please tell me.
posted by ...Ney @ 12:20 a.m.
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wow...thorough. thanx. Believing what you said about Darwin, his observations, discoveries, and our conclusions we have derived from his theories, I still don't understand how we accept such incredible order, law, and detail within our world without recognizing the need for there to be a cause - some eternal life to get the bowl rolling, to set things in motion. We can't say, "there's just always been a source of life out there bouncing around, evolving and changing over millions of years" can we? For that seems to contradict our quest in discovering and understanding our existence, to just write it off like that. When did it all start? How? How could ANYTHING be set in motion without someone or something eternal first setting our changing, evolving life in motion? It had to start somewhere. And we know that life cannot be naturally spawned from where there is no life. Even in your own words, I find such revelation. "The idea that our spherical earth revolves around a rather insignificant star which in turn revolves around the centre of an insignificant galaxy along with millions of stars just like it..." I find that incredible too! It is incredible! Our galaxy, world and existence is indescribable and phenomenal. But that leads me to the source. Are we not copies of our world's blueprint? For we are hard-wired to create and invent. Our laws that we set up to govern our lives, are they not set in motion by somebody? Yes, us. How can we see the laws of nature that govern our existence any differently. Your exhaustive talk on the laws and order of existence observed by such great men as A, G, N, and D all seem to point to the lawmaker, the lawgiver. That's how laws are formed, by somebody. They had to be set in motion somehow. The study and observations of these laws are great. Those that do so are to be commended. But that's all we're doing, is observing, studying and discovering what has already been set up. We're not rewriting the laws of our existence, we're living them. We work with them, and play with them, but we can't alter or change them. Sure, we can bend them, but the laws and building blocks of existence remain intact. Anyhow, I am going to look for that book you recommended. I am very curious to read it. Thanks again.
Your hope is realized. Even now, my mind so deep in thought, I find it hard to form the words to type. I watched the video - again, having watched it a while ago in its context. Thanks again for your in-depth and thorough thoughts. They've challenged and broadened my thoughts. I desire only the truth. And since I desire only the truth, I trust that I am open to the truth, no matter what it is. And I know there is a truth, for I know that my existence is true. May we seek, search out, and pursue our Creator.
Is there any point in believing something if it is not true? Or better yet, are we even 'truly' believing it in the first place? Does not belief require certainty? Otherwise, I would think that it is mere speculation, or at the most, hope. Perhaps you would argue that this is absolutism teaching, but let me impress that there IS A TRUTH. I would think that that fact, and the truth, are absolutes. They are undeniable. And if there are these '2' absolutes, these truths, that make up the foundational nature of our existence - that we do indeed exist - would that pattern not be copied from top to bottom of our entire reality, even though much of it is beyond our grasp of understanding? Just because we don't understand something, or something foundational has been perverted by millenia of mankind, does that make our relative to our own biases and limited interpretations? Which begs the question, since we know we're limited, how can we ever claim to know anything, except that which speaks to us from nature?
I completely and wholeheartedly agree that man has used God and his Word for man's own agenda. Man has distorted the true face and nature of God. That is where the dogma comes in. And this is actually what burns me up inside, the state of the church today. It is so far removed from what it should be. But speaking of our shaded and limited knowledge and interpretation of what our reality is, how can we say who God is simply because of what has come before us, or what we have personally experienced in our short lives? That is why I said, may we seek and search out our Creator. For a true, honest search will lead us to the true God of our universe. And I agree as well that the Bible and the church have been used to squelch any healthy questioning. The church is much too afraid to think outside the box. They seek to protect and hold onto their precious beliefs. For sake of brevity here, I will simply say that I believe it speaks of man's desire to control. We are afraid of change. Thankfully there are and have been many brave people down through mankind's history who have embraced change for the greater good.
Lastly, I find the strong assertions of Bible mind-boggling. It would seem that if you're trying to convince and persuade someone of your belief, or agenda, you would make a sound and logical argument. But the Bible makes such seemingly illogical assertions such as, "faith is being CERTAIN of what we DO NOT see." How can anyone ever be certain of what he does not see? It makes no sense at all. It goes on to say that it is by faith that we believe God created the world. Sure, we may say that one person has their own beliefs, and that these are simply my beliefs, but there remains the undeniable prospect of truth, if we pursue it openly and honestly. God's Word does not seek to defend its assertions, for it does not need to. It is man who has perverted it. God remains.
By the way, I was obviously mistaken about the "bleep" clip. I assumed I had seen it since I had seen the first "bleep" movie. I hadn't noticed that this clip was from a second "bleep" movie.
Just for fun, have you ever seen the first Matrix movie? I love Morpheus' character. He was so absolutely certain about Neo while everybody else around him doubted him. He thought Neo to be their savior. He was sooo certain, that he actually knew it to be true. He knew it as certain as he knew each breath he took. To him it was not a belief; to him it was not faith; to him it was his life, his reality. He knew it as sure as he knew he was alive. That, as well, is faith in Jesus Christ. It is fact, it is truth. By the way, Morpheus was right. Neo came to save.
"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." Declares the LORD.
Jeremiah 29:13
God's own words promise that we WILL find him if we seek with ALL our hearts...forgetting what we THINK is right and truth, but truly seeking wholeheartedly. Not bending the evidence we find to mean something we think it means from what we've been holding onto so tightly, but seeking the real TRUTH will all our hearts without bias to what we WANT to believe.
If you search for God, you will find God. Since that's what you're searching for, that's all you'll find. What if the 'truth' you're searching for has absolutely nothing to do with the beliefs you hold absolute now? Are you trying to tell me that you'll honestly embrace truth no matter what it is? I'm sorry, but i'm doubtful you're willing to be that open-minded. Your religion tells you that if you open your mind up like that, you'll go to hell. Christianity doesn't allow you to be open to other possibilities. It tells you you're a bad Christian if you are. So how can you honestly and wholeheartedly search for truth? Your search is tainted from the start...
ME
The point is... if you search for truth with your whole heart, no matter what your beliefs are at the moment.. or "hold absolute", you WILL find God... the Creator.
I rest my particular case... this wasn't my conversation to begin with... I just wanted to support ...Ney in his points.....
God Bless you.
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